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A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.
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May 31[edit]
May 31, 2023
(Wednesday)
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RD: Ama Ata Aidoo[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Renowned-Ghanaian-writer-Prof-Ama-Ata-Aidoo-is-dead-1777163, https://citinewsroom.com/2023/05/renowned-ghanaian-author-ama-ata-aidoo-dies-at-81/
Credits:
- Nominated by Ampimd (talk · give credit)
- Created by DavidA (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Proscribe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable & renowned Ghanaian author, poet, playwright and academic. Well written article Ampimd (talk) 09:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support this fantastically referenced article and RD entry. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
May 30[edit]
May 30, 2023
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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(Posted) RD: Eusebius McKaiser[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2023-05-30-eusebius-mckaiser-dies-from-suspected-epileptic-seizure/
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: South African journalist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support—Remarkably well-referenced, comprehensive, and to-the-point. This, ladies and gentlemen, is a biographical article worthy of the main page. Kurtis (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support— Article seems in good shape. McKaiser was well-known enough in South Africa to merit mentioning on the main page. Goldfritter 11:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Bill McGovern (American football)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://uclabruins.com/news/2023/5/30/football-ucla-mourns-loss-of-bill-mcgovern.aspx
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit) and Medmura (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Football coach. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient breadth and sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 10:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support This has enough prose & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Drone strikes on Moscow[edit]
Blurb: A series of Ukrainian drone attacks hit Moscow (Post)
Alternative blurb: Russia Claims to have intercepted 8 Ukrainian drones over Moscow.
News source(s): [1][2][3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Editor 5426387 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: May be a serious escalation per 194.102.58.600, Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
This might turn out to be a serious escalation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine BBC AP CNN. 194.102.58.6 (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome to WP:ITN. In order for your nomination to be considered, please create a nomination using the {{ITN candidate}} template. You've already got the sources, we need more information such as a blurb and a target article. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Noting for the record that this comment was made prior to Editor 5426387 creating a proper nomination, when IP 194 previously attempted to nominate this item. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait to see just what the nature of this escalation will be. Unless Russia truly ramps up their military response, this may just be considered an incremental exchange in the war (if indeed this was a Ukrainian attack). --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — See ongoing. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait - per my statement on the Kremlin drone attack. Ukraine is denying it, but it appears as if Russia's claims are being acknowledged much more by international press this time, perhaps due to greater evidence. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 16:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment what interception? The drones hit their targets. --Ouro (blah blah) 17:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- oppose - covered by ongoing. nableezy - 18:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment If this is covered by the ongoing item, then "Russian invasion of Ukraine" is no longer a valid label (perhaps "Russo-Ukrainian War" would be more precise). Striking buildings in Moscow is definitely not part of the invasion of Ukraine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- I would support a target change to the entire war article. The invasion is merely a phase of said war. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose There isn't a target article comparable with 2023 Kremlin drone explosion. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- I've created one (2023 Moscow drone strikes), but its still in an infantile state; it will need expansion before going on the main page. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 21:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- That's currently just two sentences and expansion seems difficult because of a lack of reliable sources. Note that Ukraine denies launching the attack and so we're mostly dependent on Russia's side of the story. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- There was no reason to create a separate article at this time on that. It is seemingly part of the war, and should be covered as part of the time line. Masem (t) 03:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- I've created one (2023 Moscow drone strikes), but its still in an infantile state; it will need expansion before going on the main page. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 21:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered in ongoing. The article currently seems to undergo major changes, too. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. First, it's covered by an ongoing event, and second, as for the material impact it's minor. I agree that on the whole it's perhaps significant, as the place lies quite a distance from the invasion area but not ITN-worthy. --Ouro (blah blah) 01:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait until we receive some type of confirmation that these drones were, in fact, fired by Ukraine at Moscow. If that is the case, then I think this would be a significant enough development by itself to merit a standalone blurb, ongoing link notwithstanding. However, I'd like to register my extreme skepticism that Ukraine would order such an attack and risk losing the goodwill of the international community, which has been vitally important in their war effort. Kurtis (talk) 01:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment either we decide everything related to the war is covered by ongoing, or we post major developments in the war anyway. I personally prefer the latter, but whatever we choose, we should be consistent. Banedon (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, again. Yet another non-story. So a bunch of drones are shot down or suppressed in a country actively at war with a neighbor. I fail to see why this event is worth posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment We don't have confirmation that Ukraine is responsible for the drone attacks, so, at this stage, it's unrelated to the invasion already posted onto ongoing. If we evaluate this independently, drone attacks on buildings in the capital of the largest country in the world is a very big deal and notable news, which is proved by the front-page coverage in the media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - We're a day out now and I don't see there being any evidence of an imminent escalation. If we get to two or three days out from the drone strikes and still nothing is done, that would hint at this being a false flag operation for propaganda purposes. But even casting my crystal ball of original research aside, it would indicate nonetheless that this would not be a suitable standalone blurb. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Covered by ongoing barring any major escalation, which at this point seems unlikely. The Kip (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Gershon Edelstein[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-05-30/ty-article/leader-of-lithuanian-ultra-orthodox-community-rabbi-gershon-edelstein-dies-at-100/00000188-6b72-d2d1-afbe-7f7fd5290000]
Credits:
- Nominated by Shibolet Nehrd (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 22:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
This is significant not only due to religious and social reasons (over 200,00 people attended his funeral), [1] but also because he was chairman of the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah - hence wielding significant power in Israel's politics - which has been a topic of interest for the news page for a while.
- Oppose Maybe his page needs more editing.
- One of the most poorly referenced biographies that I've seen in a while. Stephen 00:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
May 29[edit]
May 29, 2023
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Victor Galeone[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.archbalt.org/archbishop-william-loris-statement-on-the-death-of-bishop-galeone/
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of St. Augustine. Article looks like it's nearly there. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: William O'Neil[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Thriley (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Michel Côté[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/michel-c%C3%B4t%C3%A9-dead-72-quebec-actor-1.6858108
Credits:
- Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Canadian actor. Article is short but looks okay. Roncanada (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jacob Turkel[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/ryglh0xgi3
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Israeli Jurist. Article seems okay. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. I don't love the one sentence sections, but that's not a reason to hold it back. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality (sourcing + length) looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) 2023 Indian Premier League Final[edit]
Blurb: In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with the Chennai Super Kings defeating the Gujarat Titans in the final (player of the match Devon Conway pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with the Chennai Super Kings defeating the Gujarat Titans in the final (captain M. S. Dhoni pictured).
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Created by PrashantSahu1177 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DSP2092 (talk · give credit) and MNWiki845 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Game just completed. Good game. Congrats CSK. Article looks good and ready for homepage. Ktin (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Good game and congratulations to Chennai. The article for the final needs to be updated with all the statistics and needs to be additionally tidied up to make it ready for ITN. Once that is completed, I would support but right now the article is not ready. Crecy1346 (talk) 21:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Suitable prose update, everything looks sourced now. Good article. Black Kite (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Though we should use Devon Conway as the image as he was player of the match; this is standard. I have changed the blurb for ENGVAR and sent File:Devon Conway (Cricketer).jpg to WP:CMP. Black Kite (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- I am good with that. I will add the other version to the AltBlurb -- the two images can be rotated if needed. Ktin (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: ENGVAR would only be an issue if it only had "Chennai", but with the plural "Chennai Super Kings", win would have been fine. At any rate, I left as you proposed. —Bagumba (talk) 06:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Though we should use Devon Conway as the image as he was player of the match; this is standard. I have changed the blurb for ENGVAR and sent File:Devon Conway (Cricketer).jpg to WP:CMP. Black Kite (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Good amount of prose now. The Kip (talk) 22:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support The article has enough prose & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R with good enough prose + citations. Good for the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support prose added, looks good. Congrats to the updaters! - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 00:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 01:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, the Gujarat Titans article has no update regarding the 2023 season in its 'Team history' section. 119.152.238.112 (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
(Withdrawn) Ugandan Homosexuality bill[edit]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: In Uganda, homosexual activities becomes punishable by life imprisonment under a new anti-gay bill. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - Le Monde - The Guardian - WaPo - Reuters - The Independent - La Times - Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Docentation (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Docentation (talk · give credit), Revangarde568 (talk · give credit) and 2601:c4:c300:2890:d568:9acf:3e38:95e5 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Per Guardian "Bill retains harshest measures of legislation adopted in March, including death penalty for certain same-sex acts". This is maintaining the status quo for the most part, outside of the expanded penalties. --Masem (t) 16:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — Per Masem. As other editors have noted, additional sources will not help your case. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) New Indian parliament building[edit]
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Blurb: In India, Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurates a new building (pictured) as the new house of the Parliament of India, replacing the previous structure due to structural issues and inadequate capacity for MPs. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - Euronews - AP - Al Jazeera - Time - The Guardian - Politico - BBC - CNN - SCMP - ABC - Reuters - JP Times - Times of India - The Hindustan Times - Econ Times - The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 150.129.61.26 (talk · give credit), Sherenk1 (talk · give credit) and RogerYg (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Really? A new building? No, on both notability and on quality (the 'Timeline' section feels quite rushed). Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — Per Fakescientist8000. I would also oppose both of those scenarios. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support on notability (although I'd remind that Westminster or the Capitol are several times as old, so a direct comparison isn't really possible), but Oppose on article quality for now. Chaotic Enby (talk) 05:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Come on Knight… _-_Alsor (talk) 06:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Needs work The article needs copy-editing for grammar, tense and detail. For example, what is the building made of and what is its architectural style? The article doesn't say. And it doesn't seem stable – there's a proposal to change its title (again) – and there's political issues around the various protests. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very Strong Oppose. Per Fakescientist8000. Its just a building and is not really important to be posted on ITN. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 08:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. The issue of the UK Parliament bodies moving away from the Palace of Westminster shall be in all probability temporary for the purpose of restoration works to this magnificent building. It shall not be permanent, hence, comparison is missed. --Ouro (blah blah) 11:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. A mainly symbolic change, with no significant implications. Nsk92 (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose If a new airplane isn't considered newsworthy enough for ITN, then a new building certainly isn't. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- By the way, you do not need to post 20 news sources in the nomination header. They will not help your argument. Three is fine. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment If notability is to be further gleaned from the protests then they should be in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very Strong Oppose per Fakescientist8000 and Andrew🐉. Cheers! // 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 14:40, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- No. A million links to articles will not convince me that this should be on ITN. It's getting to the point that when I see an obviously-not-improtant-enough headline, I know who nominated it. (Also, you'd think after this many nominations, said user would learn how to write a usable blurb, but alas.) -- Kicking222 (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sine the snark, I have to agree. This is unproductive and borders on intervention. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose A change in national capital city à la Egypt and Indonesia, postable. Moving to a different building down the street, not postable. Curbon7 (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. It's making some news, and was a project of considerable expense, but what lasting significance does it really have? There's no effect on India's administrative organization whatsoever; it's just new chairs and offices. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose New buildings are not ITN-appropriate topics. --Masem (t) 16:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Even if it's something major like the tallest building in the world? Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
May 28[edit]
May 28, 2023
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Business and economy
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Politics and elections
Sports
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Manchester City win the Premier League[edit]
Blurb: In association football, Manchester City win the Premier League for the third season in a row. (record scorer Erling Haaland pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: In association football, Manchester City win the English Premier League.
Alternative blurb II: In association football, the Premier League concludes with Manchester City as champions.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Effy Midwinter (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: This was nominated last week (20th) when the title was actually won, but wasn't posted since editors wished to wait for the end of the season. The season is now over and this seems to have been overlooked. Unfortunately the article still needs work. Effy Midwinter (talk) 03:41, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Harald zur Hausen[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): German Cancer Research Center, Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Death Editor 2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German virologist. 2008 recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. Thriley (talk) 00:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) 2023 Indy 500[edit]
Blurb: In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the 107th Indianapolis 500.
News source(s): The Athletic USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by TheBlueSkyClub (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Okay, after Newgarden made the pass on last year's winner, he takes home his first Indy 500. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 20:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose after looking at the article. No details on the actual race itself (which is understandable, since the 500 just wrapped up.), so probably unfair to review it now, though. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- We have a summary now, so I'm swinging my vote to Support as the nominator. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support now that we have a race summary. It's a major sporting event that should be put there if Brooks Koepka winning the PGA championship is there. I would recommend putting "107th Indianapolis 500" in the blurb because it's formally referred to that way. Tableguy28 (talk) 22:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Agree with adding "107th" to the blurb. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Race report is up. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 01:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment 2023 Indianapolis 500 § Starting grid needs sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have added sources for the starting grid and for Rahal substituting for Wilson. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 06:54, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - ITN/R, good race report/summary. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 15:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb Article is ITN/R with enough prose/citations. Looks good for the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Blurbs typically don't show the year or edition of recurring events.—Bagumba (talk) 05:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Turkish presidential election[edit]
Blurb: Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is reelected President of Turkey in a run-off election, while the People's Alliance retained a majority in the Grand National Assembly. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Article hasn't been updated yet; the final results (let alone any prose) are missing. Schwede66 18:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Several cn tags, no prose in the Results section, the Aftermath section should be expanded too. --Vacant0 (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as written—The fact that he won in a run-off election, and that the People's Alliance retained their parliamentary majority, are important details that should also be mentioned. Kurtis (talk) 00:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality for now Lots of tables with little prose as of now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article has been improved and updated.Randam (talk) 04:29, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Quality still isn't great, especially the "Reactions" section, most of which is just an unreadable one-paragraph list of people having congratulated Erdogan. Chaotic Enby (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support the "Reactions" is now much better and once the results is 100% the page is ready. Shadow4dark (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe add that he defeated the united opposition candidate Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- No. In a run-off, the opposition is always united, and we never post losers in presudential elections.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support after improvements and as a common topic. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support once the orange tag in the "Second round" section is resolved (though I do doubt if it is even needed). DecafPotato (talk) 07:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support this should have been added already.
- DigitalDasein (talk) 09:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - now or never. Nosferattus (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support The article is ready. StellarHalo (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support The article looks updated and ready for release. -- Adem (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support It's been days since the official results were released. GodzillamanRor (talk) 06:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I think it's too late to add it now. RobinZwaard (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A455:D07B:1:44C0:F60C:B24A:5592 (talk)
Comac C919[edit]
Blurb: The Comac C919, China's first domestically-built passenger jet, completed its first commercial flight from Shanghai to Beijing by China Eastern Airlines. (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/china-comac-c919-first-commercial-flight-6c2208ac5f1ed13e18a5b311f4d8e1ad
Credits:
- Nominated by N509FZ (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: First commercial flight of a new airliner model N509FZ (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Very long and detailed article. It could do with a copy edit for tense. I count five "citation needed" and two "needs update" tags. Overall, it's good enough to go to the Main Page, though. Schwede66 18:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support A maiden flight of a brand new commercial airplane, in keeping with the same consensus that we apply to orbital space flights. We've posted similar instances of Boeing aircraft firsts and lasts. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Are we going to do this for every country? Good for China, but what exactly is the broader significance of this? DarkSide830 (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's a competitor to the Boeing/Airbus airplane manufacturing monopoly. It'd be akin to a new big tech company being built in direct competition to Google and Facebook. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 22:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- And assuming proper competition will be achieved is CRYSTAL in my estimation. For example, I could start the nest Facebook or Google today, but it's most likely my company won't even merit an article in the near future, much less merit ITN consideration. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- The difference is that news agencies are taking the time to report on this. This being in the news hints that this is being considered a genuine competitor to the two aforementioned airline agencies, especially with all of the financial and technological horsepower that China and COMAC possess. Crystal ball or not, clearly someone out there thinks it's newsworthy. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 01:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- And assuming proper competition will be achieved is CRYSTAL in my estimation. For example, I could start the nest Facebook or Google today, but it's most likely my company won't even merit an article in the near future, much less merit ITN consideration. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's a competitor to the Boeing/Airbus airplane manufacturing monopoly. It'd be akin to a new big tech company being built in direct competition to Google and Facebook. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 22:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Comac is supposed to be the Chinese competitor of Boeing and Airbus, and it clearly has potential because it comes from the second country with most air passengers. Just for comparison, we posted Boeing 787's maiden flight in December 2009, so it's not uncommon to post such events.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per DarkSide830. No broader significance. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 21:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per Kiril. One of the few states with the economic infrastructure to realistically compete with commercial transport giants such as Boeing/Airbus/UAC. The Kip (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - could be a harbinger for competition with Boeing and Airbus. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not opposed to the idea, I think this is noteworthy of being on the front page. The being said, the article has at least 5 Citation Needed prompts. I know the guidelines page said 1 or 2 shouldn't hold an article up, but as this a bit more than just 2 is that fine? CaptainGalaxy 23:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - It helps emphasizes the importance of the flight of the airline. Rager7 (talk) 00:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is just another product. No further significance. And personally, for me the significance is reduced further as it was likely manufactured with the help of industrial espionage and IP theft. --Ouro (blah blah) 03:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Without commenting on the notability of the maiden flight itself, I don't think espionage and theft mitigate the significance of an event in any way—they might even bolster it. For instance, let's say Venezuela managed to successfully detonate a nuclear weapon, but the only reason they were able to do so is because they used spies in another nuclear-armed state to procure everything they needed. Would we use that information to disqualify Venezuela's nuke from the main page? Kurtis (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Per DarkSide830, this has no significance, it is not ITN-worthy, and, if we do this for every product there is, we'd be having a completely messed up ITN. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This doesn't seem significant. IMO, posting this when less significant stories are rejected would seem like an ad for this jet. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:06, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not seeing the significance. If it was supersonic or had some radical new technology I would support it but from my understanding it is neither of those things.
- Aure entuluva (talk) 06:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per DarkSide830. Sure it may be a flight on new plane, but its not quite notable for ITN. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 08:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I can't remember if we posted any of the Boeing maiden passenger flights, but there is something to be said about novel aspects of new technology in planes (like more electric planes, biofuel planes, etc.) The C219 may be a novel design of China here, but its using a collection of existing technology and nothing new in of itself. --Masem (t) 16:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. December 2009 as commented on above. Schwede66 19:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think it can be a trap to focus on new technology over the simple reality of a new big piece of traditional infrastructure. It is probably "less WP:crystal" for us to feature a conventional addition to the landscape, and these huge planes are still mighty impressive, as the article hopefully conveys. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- The other thing to take into consideration too is that if it ends up being cheaper to build these planes than any of the Boeing/Airbus equivalents, then that subsequently makes it cheaper to sell on to airline companies. No matter how much people hold their nose when it comes to doing business with China, especially under the current sanction-heavy environment, no one is going to say no to cheaper products in the long run. And yes, of course all of this is WP:CRYSTAL, but it's reflective of a common trend in the Chinese industry from top to bottom. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Notable flight of the first Chinese domestically designed plane that competes on the same market as Boeing and Airbus. Yxuibs (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. No evidence of long-term significance or potential to be competitor to Airbus/Boeing. Right now, no major airline outside of China has ordered this new model. StellarHalo (talk) 05:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per BBC:
Comac - which plans to produce 150 planes annually in five years' time - says it has already secured more than 1,200 orders for the C919.
Take that with the disclaimer, however, ofSome experts, however, say that most of these orders are believed to be letters of intent from domestic customers.
Who to believe? Who konws? This is the post-information age. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per BBC:
- Support - a significant development in the aviation industry that's in the news. Shaheen of Iqbal (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Important news for aviation industry,a new challenger has emerged to challenge Boeing and Airbus. --Yzf99 10:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yzf99 (talk • contribs)
- Support – Appropriate feature for ITN. Article looks pretty solid and detailed; seems like a fine article to promote. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose China, the world's largest manufacturer, manufactures another product. There would be loads of opposes if for example Tuvalu produced their first ever motorbike for example, I don't see how this would be any different other than its much less surprising given China produces nearly every type of other engineering equipment known to man. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
RD:Antonio Gala[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:
- Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Spanish writer. Life and career section needs more citations. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose A lot of areas in the article need citation work. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - I've cited much of the article and removed the statement regarding him being part of a Hispano-Soviet friendship group (cited to a now dead Wikispaces page in the past) and the sweeping statement that he was president of the ITI that was recently added without any sources (and has unfortunately already begun to be featured prominently in news coverage of his death, so more reason why we should pay extra care to our articles on Wikipedia as the ones carrying the burden of knowledge in the internet age). @Fakescientist8000 - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 05:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 IIHF World Championship[edit]
Blurb: In ice hockey, Canada won gold in the IIHF World Championship, while Latvia won bronze, their first ice hockey world championship medal. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/sports/ice-hockey-canada-defeat-germany-win-world-championship-gold-2023-05-28/
Credits:
- Nominated by Gustamons (talk · give credit)
Gustamons (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- As per the usual, a lot of trees are sad since there too many tables vs. prose. Also, the playoff bracket is wonky; Canada is on the lower half of the bracket from the semis onward, but is on the top-half of the bracket in the final? Howard the Duck (talk) 15:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per the typical sports article reason: too little prose, too many tables. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
May 27[edit]
May 27, 2023
(Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
Health and environment
Law and crime
Politics and elections
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RD: George Maharis[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor. Died on May 24, but his death was reported on May 27. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Odette Nilès[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde, La Depeche (both in French)
Credits:
- Nominated by Thebiguglyalien (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French anti-fascist militant and communist. A bit short, but it covers the major details and it's well enough over the stub limit at 2kb readable prose. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is too short (and yes, I'm aware it's not a stub technically, but look at this and tell me it isn't a practical stub.) Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Astore avalanche[edit]
Blurb: At least 11 people were killed and 13 injured in an avalanche in Astore District of Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters, BBC, Fox 9, Gulf News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 09:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Support Seems like a decently notable tragedy that should be featured. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2023 (UTC)- Oppose as a non-notable event. Ainty Painty, I encourage to become more familiar with WP:GNG and WP:NEVENTS before creating further articles. Many of your run of the mill events articles have been deleted or draftified shortly after creation, and you've received (now-removed) warnings about this on your talk page. An event should not have an article unless it has encyclopedic significance. Simple WP:PRIMARYNEWS reporting does not meet GNG, and people dying does not meet NEVENTS. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Thebiguglyalien. The Kip (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality. Take out the reactions and it's a stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, Tragic, but not notable. Alex-h (talk) 15:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: James Hartle[edit]
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twitter
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Uh, I think the article has been updated, because according to the article, he's apparently still alive. Also, like User:Muboshgu said, Twitter is not a reliable source. For more information regarding reliable & unreliable sources, see WP:USERG and WP:RS. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Cannes/Palme d'Or[edit]
Blurb: Anatomy of a Fall, directed by Justine Triet, wins the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): AP NEWS
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The film's article could use expansion (longer plot summary, reviews in the "Reception" section, more details on production...) Mooonswimmer 19:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Film fest article is entirely lists and tables outside of the lede. The Kip (talk) 22:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per above. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose So many lists and yet so little prose. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, Per above Alex-h (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
FC Bayern Munich wins Bundesliga[edit]
Blurb: In association football, FC Bayern Munich win the Bundesliga. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, RTÉ
Credits:
- Nominated by Bait30 (talk · give credit)
- Created by S.A. Julio (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kante4 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Bayern win on the last match day after Dortmund let the title slip with a draw against Mainz. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 18:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Stub with only prose in the lead. Otherwise, all tables.—Bagumba (talk) 18:13, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support once more prose regarding the course of the season is added. This year, it's never been so close in such a long time with the champion last being decided via goal difference over 20 years ago. Also, if we have blurbed the Prem, then this BL season is much more blurb-worthy as many decisions (Championship, Europe & relegation) fell on the last matchday. - CDE34RFV (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- @CDE34RFV: As this item is already a regular at WP:ITNR to be posted, the only relevant concern at this point is the page's quality. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Added season summary. Might need some citations, but at least we got some more text. - CDE34RFV (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- We haven't even blurbed the Premier League yet. It seems it was decided to leave it until the whole season was finished, despite the fact that it was agreed in previous years that the time to blurb was when the title was won. It's old news now of course. Effy Midwinter (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose There's a perfunctory amount of prose in the lead including the wonderful "However, they bottled it ..." And then it's just table after table – sixteen by my count. And there's a year error – 2022 rather than 2023 – which indicates that this is just a set of tables cut/paste from last year. And there are no pictures – not even a Nike hat. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose There’s now a sufficient write up of the season but it is entirely unreferenced. Schwede66 20:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged section for being completely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Seemin Jamali[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 17:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. Fahads1982Talk --- 17:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub. Schwede66 20:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Currently, there are only 196 words of prose. Please expand this stubby article. Too much materials mentioned in the lede should be elaborated in the main prose. The Career section reads more like the subject's Education section, with little on what she did in her career to earn her nicknames as mentioned in the lede. --PFHLai (talk) 09:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose as a stub. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Mauritanian parliamentary election[edit]
Blurb: The Equity Party wins a plurarity of votes in the Mauritanian parliamentary elections (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Today the elections ended as per previous nomination. It's a confusing system and top of that there are local and regional elections too. The parliamentary election article looks good though. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well sourced. Fahads1982Talk --- 17:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support Well-sourced, but a bit too high of a table-to-prose ratio for my taste. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose When I read an election article's lead, I should be able to understand the outcome or current status. That’s not the case here. So I go to the section "Preliminary results" and how much prose do I find? Exactly none. Article isn’t ready. Schwede66 20:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Prose needs to be added to the "Preliminary results" section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
May 26[edit]
(Closed) Nagano attack[edit]
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Blurb: In Japan, four people, including two police officers, are killed in shooting and stabbing attack in the city of Nakano. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - ABC - WaPo - CBS - France24 - ABC (Australia) - BBC - Al Jazeera - CNN - LA Times - AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Family27390 (talk · give credit) and Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Support Unless something has gone seriously under the radar, this is the first mass shooting in Japan. Very sad, unfortunately makes it very notable. Article is short but fine. Kingsif (talk) 01:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's received primary international coverage, which does not confer notability. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's just happened, what else kind of news coverage is it going to have. ITN doesn't care if the newspapers have had some time to think about how important it is to cover an event, we take editor opinion on that as long as reliable sources have been established... if "the news is contemporary to the event" was a good reason for !oppose, nothing would get posted on here ever. Kingsif (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well then ITN is out of step with WP:N, and the latter takes precedence. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- If your argument is that the article does not pass GNG, you should take it to AfD. But it isn't an ITN argument, and N is not relevant to discussion here. Kingsif (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Articles also have to pass NEVENT, and that makes the issue if we're only getting a burst of coverage, then we shouldn't have an article on it. That's 100% a reason to oppose at ITN. Masem (t) 03:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- It really isn't - this is getting off-topic, but I think it was a little irresponsible for you to mention NEVENT as a good reason to !oppose, as we can see it has already cropped up in !votes below even when the comments don't relate to the guideline (one being 'per others' and the other being classic OTHERSTUFF). I doubt "oppose per NEVENT" will catch on, but at ITN, if a bold article's existence is uncontested, we assume notability. If there are questions about the article existing, that is categorically not what ITN deals with, absolutely not a reason to !oppose - go speedy or AfD and the article can't be on the main page anyway, of course. Whether the news item is suitable for the box, a non-N kind of notable, is something to have an opinion on. But "I don't think the event is important enough for MP" (valid argument, and one that is clearly dominant in this discussion) isn't the same as "don't put it on MP because I don't think there will be future coverage". An unwritten "please do not" there I think. Kingsif (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- When editors create new articles on news events that do not clearly pass the GNG (which requires more than a burst of coverage) nor NEVENT, and nominate them for ITNC, it is generally bad form to AFD those articles while the ITNC is open and not clearly SNOWing against posting. So it is definitely fair game to question if the new article really meets notability standards as part of the ITNC considerations. Masem (t) 01:10, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- People keep responding to the "why don't you just AFD it" response by invoking WP:BEFORE, ignoring the fact that if an article truly does not deserve an article, it should be taken to AFD no matter what, regardless and in fact I would argue especially if its being taken to ITN, i.e, the main page. I find this argument rather silly, because whenever these noms close, these articles' existances persist and the people complaining about it not meeting WP:NEVENTS never bother to AFD it. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 05:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- When editors create new articles on news events that do not clearly pass the GNG (which requires more than a burst of coverage) nor NEVENT, and nominate them for ITNC, it is generally bad form to AFD those articles while the ITNC is open and not clearly SNOWing against posting. So it is definitely fair game to question if the new article really meets notability standards as part of the ITNC considerations. Masem (t) 01:10, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- It really isn't - this is getting off-topic, but I think it was a little irresponsible for you to mention NEVENT as a good reason to !oppose, as we can see it has already cropped up in !votes below even when the comments don't relate to the guideline (one being 'per others' and the other being classic OTHERSTUFF). I doubt "oppose per NEVENT" will catch on, but at ITN, if a bold article's existence is uncontested, we assume notability. If there are questions about the article existing, that is categorically not what ITN deals with, absolutely not a reason to !oppose - go speedy or AfD and the article can't be on the main page anyway, of course. Whether the news item is suitable for the box, a non-N kind of notable, is something to have an opinion on. But "I don't think the event is important enough for MP" (valid argument, and one that is clearly dominant in this discussion) isn't the same as "don't put it on MP because I don't think there will be future coverage". An unwritten "please do not" there I think. Kingsif (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Articles also have to pass NEVENT, and that makes the issue if we're only getting a burst of coverage, then we shouldn't have an article on it. That's 100% a reason to oppose at ITN. Masem (t) 03:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- If your argument is that the article does not pass GNG, you should take it to AfD. But it isn't an ITN argument, and N is not relevant to discussion here. Kingsif (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well then ITN is out of step with WP:N, and the latter takes precedence. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's just happened, what else kind of news coverage is it going to have. ITN doesn't care if the newspapers have had some time to think about how important it is to cover an event, we take editor opinion on that as long as reliable sources have been established... if "the news is contemporary to the event" was a good reason for !oppose, nothing would get posted on here ever. Kingsif (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support after expansion. Fairly shocked from this incident. However, it could be slightly expanded more before it is posted. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 02:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Domestic violence, no evidence of international terrorism nor a scope to put it any more significant than other domestic violence crimes in other countries. --Masem (t) 03:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article as of now consists of only a few short paragraphs, will change my nom to Support once article has been reworked to a better quality. TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support in principle The death of the two police officers by shooting is what pushes this over the edge for me, rather than just a typical random act of violence (especially considering this Insider report from just a few weeks ago). As stated above, though, article needs work before it is mainpage ready. Curbon7 (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NEVENT. There's plenty of outrageous events in the news like this. For example, a car rammed the gates of Downing Street in London yesterday, generating front page news. On the front page of the NYT this morning, there's an account of a woman being pushed into the path of a subway train. And so it goes. This is valid news but we're an encyclopedia and so should be covering such topics at a broader level, not reporting each incident. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We apply a consistent standard for posting mass-shootings, that being of stand-out factors (racial/terror/other notable motivation/factors for the attack; higher number of deaths; and the place where it took place (commonplace or not)). I don't see the first two being fulfilled here and neither do I think the place alone makes it notable. Gotitbro (talk) 09:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support Article needs way more work, but the fact that this is a gun-related incident in Japan is very remarkable. Japan basically has very little to no gun violence, the last notable shooting that most of us remember is probably the assassination of Shinzo Abe back in July 2022. Strong support in principle, but due to the current state of the article and the quality, my support will be weak for now. Once article is expanded, consider my support. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above and NEVENTS. I've also removed an inappropriate updater name. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose – Article is currently not convincing me that this is suitable for posting. Currently, the aftermath section only talks about Twitter users calling it an "unforgivable crime." The "Incident" section is a bit confusing and it is possible that Masamichi Aoki is not as involved as they currently appear. Needs work at the very least. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Though unusual for Japan, this isn't important enough for ITN. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - domestic violence isnt typically something that would be featured on the front page of Wikipedia. nableezy - 14:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- For the time being, oppose I want to see how the events after this play out before. This, along with the still fairly recent killing of Shinzo Abe, may be enough to spark a conversation in Japan about firearms. If it doesn't, I'd oppose. As of now, there's nothing stating I should oppose, but if there becomes a national conversation with guns, I'd support. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Just as there are shootings in countries which have many shootings which nonetheless reach a level where we put them on ITN, there are shootings in countries where they are rare which nonetheless do not rise above the general level of crime reporting and should not be put on ITN. This case, though tragic, is one such. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support seems strange to see Americans opposing this mass killing, when they routinely support the regular mass shootings in the US. Multiple killings in any country not at war is unusual unless it's the United States, so this is definitely newsworthy. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Because its domestic violence and not all that massive? Seems strange you support this and oppose ones with 10x the coverage. nableezy - 23:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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- Newsworthy (burst of news coverage) is not equal to notable (enduring in-depth coverage). We have to stress pretty much constantly that WP is not a newspaper, and we should be looking to events that clearly will have a long tail of coverage, rather than just those that splash across front pages for a few days and then are never heard about again. Masem (t) 01:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Tragic, but relatively small casualty event. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose If we don't post about the every-day mass shooting in America, why would we post about some small-casualty event in Japan? Article is currently still a stub, and just because it is a first, doesn't make it notable. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reason that everyone else is opposing it, it's just domestic news. It's tragic, but not worthy of being posted in ITN. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
May 25[edit]
May 25, 2023
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RD: Ed Ames[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American singer & actor. Died on May 21, but his death was reported on May 25. Needs some more citations. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Gary Kent[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-05-27/gary-kent-stuntman-who-inspired-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-dies-at-89
Credits:
- Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American film director, actor, and stuntperson. Article looks decent enough. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Are filmographies usually expected to be referenced before they're posted to RD? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, per WP:ITNQUALITY:
—Bagumba (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources.
- @Thebiguglyalien and Bagumba: I believe i've cited the filmography. Do take a look to see if i've done anything wrong. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, per WP:ITNQUALITY:
- Support, the filmography is now referenced. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Denny Stolz[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American college football coach who won conference coach of the year at all four of his schools. —Bagumba (talk) 10:10, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per Fakescientist8000. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joy McKean[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian country music singer-songwriter and wife and manager of Slim Dusty. Known as the Queen of Australian country music. Thriley (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well-cited article, looks ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well cited, and long enough. Good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jerry Krause (basketball, born 1936)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spokesman Review
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Could have sworn he was already dead, but that was Jerry Krause (basketball, born 1939). Anyway, this article is in fine shape. Teemu08 (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Javier Álvarez (composer)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yucatán Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Avant-garde Mexican composer. Updated and refs well under way. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Long list at the end of the article that is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Typhoon Mawar[edit]
Blurb: Typhoon Mawar (satellite image pictured) strikes the Mariana Islands and Guam as a Category 4-equivalent super typhoon. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NBC, ABC, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Most intense typhoon of 2023. Interstellarity (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait. Full impacts are not yet known. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose for now. I say wait until the typhoon dissipates as the Mariana Islands and Guam aren't the only areas that are expected to be affected. Moreover, the total damages aren't known yet and no fatalities are reported. Additionally, to your comment "Most intense typhoon of 2023", that is way too early to be said. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 23:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- True but it d
- did reach 185 mph 1-minute sustained which is the new West Pacific record for May. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait. The typhoon is still ongoing and the damages currently known are very, very minimal. Plus, most of the typhoon's path has been situated within the ocean. I'm opposing if the damages are very minimal. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Despite the intensity, impacts are run of the mill. It killed 2 people. That isn't enough for posting on ITN. NoahTalk 21:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support barring any challenge to notability. It's a current event and the article is sufficient. Death count is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether an event is encyclopedic. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- No one is contending the article should be deleted, but "encyclopedic" is certainly not sufficient grounds for ITN posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- We don't post run of the mill events here. We would be posting dozens of cyclones per year which would result in very disproportionate coverage compared to other events if every cyclone that killed someone got posted. NoahTalk 01:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Run of the mill events shouldn't have Wikipedia articles at all. If that's what it is, then it should be merged into a list of tropical storms. Does this particular storm meet the criteria outlined at WP:GNG or WP:NEVENTS? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Karen Lumley[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Redditch Standard
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former UK MP Karen Lumley Fahads1982 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support but more expansion would be great. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- support, Article is ok for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Article needs alot more work, it's barely past being a stub. Once expanded, I'll support. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support. Barely long enough, though it reads like a list and at least one more citation is needed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Ahmad Kamal[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): APP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Fahads1982 (talk) 11:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub, I've marked it out as such. Needs expansion and more sources & citation before it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Twistedaxe: The page is 2061 B (337 words) of readable prose, which generally surpasses WP:STUB. What specific areas do you believe need expansion? Also, can you mark (e.g. {{Cn}}) the text you feel is unsourced. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed my mistake. I generally go by the 250 word rule of thumb when it comes to stubs, and I made a wrong judgement here. I've added the CN tag at the end of the article. Once that is resolved, I'll be updating this to be a support. Thanks for pointing it out! TwistedAxe [contact] 12:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Twistedaxe: The page is 2061 B (337 words) of readable prose, which generally surpasses WP:STUB. What specific areas do you believe need expansion? Also, can you mark (e.g. {{Cn}}) the text you feel is unsourced. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. About 2kb of readable prose, so it's probably just over a stub. Has citations throughout the article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
May 24[edit]
(Needs attention) RD: Kenneth Anger[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American experimental filmmaker. Thriley (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now It's quite detailed, but it has too many cn tags & a dubious tag. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 03:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Too many CN tags for this to be ITNRD quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rolf Skår[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Computerworld
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Norwegian engineer and entrepreneur. Oceanh (talk) 07:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Upon reading the article I was about to mark it as a stub but realized it's a bit too long to be a stub. With that being said though, it's barely past being a stub and the article needs alot more work definitely alot more citations. Once expanded, consider my support. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Twistedaxe: What areas do you feel require expansion? Can you mark specific sentences you feel need citations? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 09:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the ambiguity. Ever since I made this post, the article has been expanded a fair bit. When it comes to expanding the article, it would be nice to divide the biography into multiple sections such as death, personal life, etc. Other than that, article looks good but could use more work, especially considering there's only 7 sources referenced. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Twistedaxe: What areas do you feel require expansion? Can you mark specific sentences you feel need citations? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 09:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. 2kb of readable prose should be acceptable, and it's well sourced. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support The prose & references are good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Cotton Tree (Sierra Leone)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pthompson (talk · give credit) and LouisOelofse (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Important national symbol of Sierra Leone, described as the country's "Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Big Ben" gobonobo + c 05:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Article seems of good quality? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support as a result - forgot to say lol QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support? Article seems fine, but can a tree count as a recent "death", or should this be a blurb? TheCorriynial (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism
. Curbon7 (talk) 22:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)- Ah right. Forgot the "organism" part applied to RD as well. My bad. TheCorriynial (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per above; article quality is very good. Therapyisgood (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support Article is of good quality but could use more work and be expanded. I suppose it's ok for RD. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks good. Could we keep the "(Sierra Leone)" part in the RD entry perhaps? I understand this is against precedent, but just "Cotton Tree" appearing in RD may confuse readers. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted No consensus for WP:IAR to display disambiguator.—Bagumba (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Norbaiti Isran Noor[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.kompas.tv/article/409982/jenazah-istri-gubernur-kaltim-norbaiti-isran-noor-tiba-di-balikpapan-akan-dimakamkan-siang-ini
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former MP and governor's wife. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well-written article. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is fine, I guess, except for the fact you can tell this was made in a rush. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) Blurb/RD: Tina Turner[edit]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American-born Swiss Hall of Fame rock singer Tina Turner dies at aged 83. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BlizzySway (talk · give credit) and Emanormanny (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support RD, Blurb? She might be on the level for a blurb. Worth seeing what others think. Although RD, wise article seems to be fine. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Blurb Not wanting to disregard Jim Brown's achievements, but Turner is way more notable and globally well-known. It would be a nonsense if he was blurbed and she was not. Black Kite (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Filmography is cited to IMDB. I'd be in favor of removing it altogether, because most of it is documentaries or cited in the prose. On balance, support RD neutral on blurb. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Tina Turner was one the greatest singers of the 20th century, you don't get the nickname the "Queen of Rock & Roll" without a reason.--TheDutchViewer (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb One of the most recognizable singers of her time, certainly a transformative figure in her field. Her death is currently the top headline globally. Davey2116 (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Blurb - just post. She was top field.BabbaQ (talk) 19:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Blurb blurb blurb, now now now! --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb, as we normally would with a reigning queen. BD2412 T 19:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. Regards SoWhy 19:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Blurb I'm usually neutral on blurbs, but a GA? That's an exception I'm willing to make. The main page should be a showcase for high quality articles, and here's one of those for an internationally significant entertainer that's pretty much ready to go up right now. There's some excellent sourcing in the article, apart from a few spaces (the filmography, namely), but they are minor aspects of a whole that I assume will be ironed out before this posts. Doc Strange MailboxLogbook 19:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD, weak oppose blurb — Article is in fine shape and the subject is obviously notable, but not for RD. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Blurb - obviously, and would support it being posted sooner than later too. nableezy - 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems kind of weird to call her former American Swiss naturalized in the blurb, maybe just drop the nationalities entirely? nableezy - 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- She renounced her US citizenship, so it was accurate. Whether it still needs to be there is another question. Black Kite (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oh Im not questioning the accuracy, it just feels stilted to write out in the blurb. If nationality has to be included, and I dont think it does as her Swiss naturalization isnt really relative to her notability, then just call her Swiss. But better yet, imo, just say Rock and Roll Hall of Fame singer ... nableezy - 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- She renounced her US citizenship, so it was accurate. Whether it still needs to be there is another question. Black Kite (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems kind of weird to call her former American Swiss naturalized in the blurb, maybe just drop the nationalities entirely? nableezy - 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Blurb World famous singer with decades spanning career. One of the best-selling recording artists of all time. There was a film about her, which is one of criteria for blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb when IMDb, Discogs, Metro, and NYPost sources get replaced. Definitely notable enough for a blurb. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb No question. Article is a GA as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb there are a few films nowt sourced but the article is if high quality and explains her legacy to the music industry (with the obits, this probably should be ecpanded). --Masem (t) 19:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blub Easy one, as others have already explained. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- 20 minutes in and this is going to be a pretty clear cut case for a blurb. Which I Support. - Floydian τ ¢ 19:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb - To me is a no-brainer. One of the greatest musicians in history.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 19:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb A genuine legend in the music world. The Kip (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted blurb - Clear consensus to post. Using straight-forward blurb rather than one focused on birth nation and citizenship. - Fuzheado | Talk 19:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for blurb Musical legend who revolutionized rock and roll. NoahTalk 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Fuzheado: need to update the two blurbs now that Turner is pictured and not Koepka. nableezy - 19:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Close - This is about as efficient as a death blurb nomination can get. We've got the blurb, we've got the picture, consensus is clear; now we can close this out. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) 2023 Mauritanian parliamentary election[edit]
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Blurb: The Equity Party wins a plurarity of votes in the Mauritanian parliamentary elections (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
- Wait - like you said, a bit confusing, but there apparently is another election on May 27, so we should probably wait. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 12:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait until the election is completed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait until the May 27 election There's no point in posting this when it's almost done, but not entirely done. I'd also note that the "Preliminary results" section needs prose. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait I agree as above, its still ongoing so it would be premature to declare any result on here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
May 23[edit]
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(Needs decision) 2023 International Booker Prize Winner[edit]
Blurb: The International Booker Prize is awarded to Time Shelter, by Georgi Gospodinov and translated by Angela Rodel. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times The Guardian
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Lucie Person (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: I believe the article is long enough to be considered. We could choose an image of the author, Georgi Gospodinov instead of the cover. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 05:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Seems to tick all the boxes and its time is short. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support This has enough references & it seems like it's just barely long enough to be ITN-worthy. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
OpposeUpdate too short per WP:ITNCRIT:The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient
There's a quote attributed to The Federal, but what makes it so significant to use it as a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE to quote itself? I'm not familiar with The Federal, and there is no Wikipedia article on it either.—Bagumba (talk) 09:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)- Comment Thank you for your feedback. However, WP:ITNCRIT also says
If the recent/current event relates directly to previous occurrences (e.g. a major award honoring past achievements), the article can be considered sufficiently updated when there is consensus that it contains appropriate, up-to-date coverage of the entire chronology, irrespective of when the text was written or how many sentences pertain specifically to the recent/current event (apart from the requirement that it be mentioned).
, which I think applies here. I can swap out the quote from The Federal. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 14:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for your feedback. However, WP:ITNCRIT also says
- Support - Looks fine enough. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Restoring I'm not sure of the protocol for this, so apologies in advance if this violates any rules. But there does not seem to be any objections against posting and I do think the article's quality is enough to be posted. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 04:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment FWIW, the last posting in 2021 bolded the author and translator, and not the book. Not sure if there's a preference which article should be the featured one. The book was nominated (and reviewed) here.—Bagumba (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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